Podcast #17: Paul and Rich Exchange Frank Views

Podcast #17: Paul and Rich Exchange Frank Views

This week Paul and Rich set out to ostensibly talk about the ongoing saga of Gawker vs Hulk Hogan and Peter Thiel (recorded just days before the Gawker bankruptcy announcement). Instead, they find themselves debating about the ethics of media and business, free-market capitalism, surge pricing, universal basic income, the ethos of the Valley — and Rich promises Paul that he will never read The Fountainhead.

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Paul: [long sigh]

Rich: Paul, why the sigh? It’s gonna be a great episode!

Paul: I’ll tell you. Because Silicon Valley and East Coast media culture are fighting again.

Rich: Oh, you’re squinting while you say it.

Paul: Well I just feel like it’s like your parents fighting, it’s exhausting.

Rich: Yes.

Paul: I feel like these two worlds that I’ve been part of for twenty-plus years, they just can’t get along. And it’s always this eternal Thanksgiving dinner, where like, on the left, Silicon Valley is like, “Well YOU always want to report on the WORST possible things.” And the media’s like, “We’ve been around forever and you guys are a bunch of upstarts.”

Paul: It [Silicon Valley] loves power. It’s very big, like there’s an ideology that slowly percolates out from the Valley, where people tell you about how this is the best place ever at the most essential time ever, and then when you’re like, “I don’t know. Maybe not bitcoin,” forty billion people show up in your Twitter timeline and tell you that you’re the worst person who ever lived.

Paul: I think you’re — we’re talking about the driver in here, but Uber, it’s in Uber’s best interest to get the driver out of the equation as quickly as possible. They’re all over self-driving cars.

Rich: Great.

Paul: So what happens then?

Rich: I mean, what happens then? What happens —

Paul: No I mean, you’re telling me about this great opportunity —

Rich: What happened to calligraphers when the printing press came out? What happened then?

Paul: They did wedding invitations! And died hungry!

A full transcript of this episode is available.

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Track Changes is the weekly technology and culture podcast from Postlight, hosted by Paul Ford and Rich Ziade. Coordination, research, and management by Elizabeth Minkel, who also prepared the summary of this episode. Production and editing by Tom Meyers. Podcast logo and design by Matt Quintanilla of Postlight. We record with Paul Ruest at Argot Studios. Listen to more episodes here.

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